Friday, July 28, 2006

The Alito Myth

Of all the outlandish myths that the Lieberman-haters peddle, none is more ludicrous than their charge that Joe Lieberman put Sam Alito on the Supreme Court.

No matter how many times you remind them that: A) Joe Lieberman spoke out against Alito's nomination; B) he voted against it; C) a filibuster was doomed to failure and thus amounted to a meaningless and ultimately destructive gesture; the Lieberman haters keep claiming that Lieberman is responsible for Alito getting confirmed, simply because he did not back the futile filibuster.

Case in point: the hysterical mailing from the National Organization of Women that was reported on in today's Hartford Courant.

In a Lamont mailing, Rosemary Dempsey, president of the Connecticut NOW, said Lieberman's refusal to back a filibuster was "a slap in the face to every woman of this state, no matter her political beliefs, economic status or race."

Beyond explaining why NOW has zero credibility in the mainstream political world, this quote epitomizes the irrationality and disingenuousness of the purge campaign being waged against Joe Lieberman. Compile a very strong record on reproductive rights and on women's rights, vote against the nomination in question, get NARAL's endorsement, and you still get accused of slapping women in the face.

It also underscores the desperate need for some perspective on this particular issue.

Up until this session of Congress, the filibuster was not even considered a fringe option for blocking Supreme Court nominees. With one notable exception, the case of Abe Fortas in 1968, the tactic had never been invoked to block a Supreme Court nomination. According to the official account by the Senate historian, Fortas was not torpedoed because of his ideology, but because of serious ethical issues.

As a sitting justice, he regularly attended White House staff meetings; he briefed the president on secret Court deliberations; and, on behalf of the president, he pressured senators who opposed the war in Vietnam. When the Judiciary Committee revealed that Fortas received a privately funded stipend, equivalent to 40 percent of his Court salary, to teach an American University summer course, [Senate Minority Leader Everett] Dirksen and others withdrew their support. Although the committee recommended confirmation, floor consideration sparked the first filibuster in Senate history on a Supreme Court nomination.

That all changed last year with the Roberts and Alito nominations. Some in the Democratic family decided that Bush's high court appointments had to be blocked by any means necessary, and the threat of a filibuster based purely on ideology was openly discussed. This of course prompted the whole showdown over the so-called "nuclear option, with Republicans threatening to change the Senate rules to permanently bar the use of filibuster for Supreme Court nominations if Democrats used the tactic against John Roberts or Alito.

Lieberman and other moderate Democrats then worked with the reasonable elements of the Senate Republican caucus -- the so-called gang of 14 -- to craft an agreement that would protect the right of the minority to filibuster court nominees in the future in extreme circumstances. That was his great sin -- finding a compromise with Republicans that helped Democrats, by preserving the precedent that had been followed for the entire history of the filibuster.

If Lieberman had supported the filibuster, it would not have changed the outcome at all. It would have, though, threatened the agreement he had made, which at the moment was the only thing standing in the way of the nuclear option being triggered and the filibuster being eliminated completely as a check and balance in Supreme Court nominations.

If Lieberman and the other members of the Gang of 14 had broken their word and backed the filibuster, it may have derailed the Alito nomination temporarily. But it would have had disastrous consequences, setting in motion a chain of events that ultimately would have resulted not only in the end of the filibuster as we know it, but in Alito getting on the bench in the end once the Senate rules were changed. Talk about a pyrrhic victory.

These subtleties are of course lost on the Lieberman-haters. By their dipso-facto kind of logic, Republicans are evil, compromise with evil is evil, and thus even a compromise with Republicans that helps Democrats is evil. Moreover, because Joe Lieberman has compromised with Republicans at times in the past, that makes him even more evil than the other Democrats in the Gang of 14 and a deserving a much higher level of blame.

Presto: Joe Lieberman's opposition to Alito is magically transformed (re: twisted) into support for Alito. George Orwell would be proud.

Sadly this is yet another case of scapegoating Joe Lieberman -- not just for George Bush's actions, but for the Democratic Party's impotence. The Democratic Party failed to put up a candidate who could be beat Bush in 2004, which was the best way to stop him from appointing right-wing judges to the court. That was not Joe Lieberman's fault.

In addition, the Senate's Democratic leadership, and the Democratic members of the Judiciary Committee, failed to make a compelling case to the American people as to why Alito was so unfit for the Supreme Court that his nomination justified the extreme use of the filibuster. That was the only way that the Democrats could have won the nuclear option showdown, by having the bulk of public opinion on their side. Again, not Joe Lieberman's fault.

Now let me be clear: honest people can disagree over the question of whether the Alito nomination met the extreme circumstances threshold. There is a credible argument he did. My point is that the Senate Democrats did not present a convincing enough case to justify blowing up the institution over this nomination. Moreover, the question became moot when the other members of the Gang of 14 decided that Alito did not meet that test. Once that happened, if Lieberman had broken ranks and supported the filibuster, he would have accomplished nothing, other than momentarily appeasing his critics and weakening the agreement that was preserving the filibuster in the first place.

None of this will persuade or mollify the Lieberman haters, who have already convicted him in spite of the evidence. But for those voters who care about the truth, they need to know that Joe Lieberman did right by Democrats throughout this episode. He opposed Sam Alito AND protected a critical check on presidential power. To say otherwise is a slap in the face of reality.

54 Comments:

Blogger Matt Smith said...

First time I've commented on one of Dan's posts, but I couldn't resist:

"If Lieberman and the other members of the Gang of 14 had broken their word and backed the filibuster, it may have derailed the Alito nomination temporarily. But it would have had disastrous consequences, setting in motion a chain of events that ultimately would have resulted not only in the end of the filibuster as we know it, but in Alito getting on the bench in the end once the Senate rules were changed. Talk about a pyrrhic victory."

A pyhrric victory implies that you still got what you wanted in the end, but at great cost. In this case, the Dems still would not have gotten what they wanted if they had filibustered Alito. So such a course of action wouldn't even have led to a pyrrhic victory. More like a Zama-esque defeat.

7/28/2006 2:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/28/2006 2:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LieberDem said:
If Lieberman had supported the filibuster, it would not have changed the outcome at all.

"We'll lose anyway, so let's not fight." Wow, I'm all kinds of excited about Democrats now. That kind of leadership and willingness to fight on principle gives me goosebumps. What a leader that Joe Lieberman is- so wise to not fight on principle, ever.

You just don't get it. YOU WON'T SUCCEED IF YOU DON'T TRY. Giving up before the fight begins because you're afraid you'll lose is exactly why the Democratic Party is perceived as weak in the first place.

With a filibuster, more time could have been given to discussing Alito's judicial record, his philosophy, etc, and perhaps some moderate Republicans could have been swayed or perhaps the Republican party could have taken a hit in approval ratings. The Democratic Party could have benefited by keeping the debate open and sending a clear, united, and principled stand against Justice Alito. Win or lose, America would have known where Democrats stood.

You may think that's unrealistic, but we'll never know for sure what would have happened, now will we? All because Joe Lieberman didn't want to try. Joe Lieberman guaranteed failure because he didn't want to try. I can't afford to support that kind of defeatism and risk aversion. The Democratic Party can't afford to support that kind of defeatism and risk aversion. America can't afford to support that kind of defeatism and risk aversion.

At what point do the Republicans go too far? Is there any nominee that Joe Lieberman and you quivering Dems would filibuster? When do the rest of you Dems stand up and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"?

I wonder if you ever will, and so support for Democrats like you and Joe Lieberman really just supports a campaign of gradual retreat, inch by inch, year by year, nominee by nominee.

LieberDem said:
[Support of a filibuster] would have, though, threatened the agreement he had made, which at the moment was the only thing standing in the way of the nuclear option being triggered and the filibuster being eliminated completely as a check and balance in Supreme Court nominations.

Please explain to me what the f--k good it does to maintain an option that Joe Lieberman doesn't ever want to exercise. What's the f--king point of having the capability to filibuster, if Joe Lieberman doesn't ever want to filibuster?

And while we're on the subject, why are Dems so scared of Republicans using the nuclear option? They're bluffing, you nimrods! Dems like you would be the worst poker players in the world! Republicans know that there might come a time in the future where they will be in the minority, and so they would never follow through on the nuclear threat!

(sniff) (sniff) "Please, Mr. Big Bad Republican, please don't hurt us- please let us keep the filibuster option, as long as we promise never to actually filibuster". How absurd and cowardly. And you think Lamont is weakening the party? You just don't get it.

7/28/2006 2:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Age of Vichy Dems is coming to a close...

7/28/2006 2:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just got the new "Lieberman" flyer.

Somehow the campaign photographed the wrong end of the mule.

7/28/2006 3:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well we all know how marvelously Joe Lieberman's approach to "national security" is playing out.

7/28/2006 4:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone here have some of those "Kiss Buttons"?

They're going for $10 on EBAY!!

7/28/2006 6:21 PM  
Blogger Gotham Ghostwriters said...

Sundog --

I appreciate your interest in civil discourse and your willingness to engae in debate, rather just hurl insults like some of the Lamont supporters who comment on this site. But the fact is, there is no hateful rhetoric or ad hominem attacks in my post.

I am very precise in my language, and while I do bluntly attack the logic of the Lieberman-haters, I in no way attack them personally. That is the primarily the province of the Lieberman-haters, such as the juvenile folks who call Lieberman a war-criminal in this thread.

You will note that I called the myths outlanding and ridiculous, not the people peddling them. You may disagree with that assessment or think it's too tough. But that is a far cry from hateful, especially when compared to the venom that has been directed at Lieberman over the past two years.

If you are seriously concerned about the degradation of our political discourse, I would suggest you look first at folks like Kos, who not too long ago suggested he was not unhappy to see American contract workers in Iraq killed by insurgents.

7/28/2006 8:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First "The Kiss", now "The Hug".. dear god this is getting gross.

7/28/2006 9:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/28/2006 9:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Had a long night, but I'm back...

Yeah...Sundog, I think you misread Dan a bit. His tone did not seem as combative as you seem to think it was, and it certainly wasn't an ad hominem, because the firing solution was aimed at the issue position (Lieberman betrayed Democrats with his Alito cloture vote) rather than the messengers. Although he did take some shots at the messengers on the way out, they weren't the primary target.

7/28/2006 10:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dan,

Here is an off-topic question...

You have been a long time hired hand of Joe Lieberman.

Can you explain to me how the Lieberman campaign would produce pins with the Clinton "hug" that don't carry the union bug. That seems unthinkable to me. I can't think of an example of ANY campaign by a Democratic candidate doing that in my 30 plus years in politics.

Who are these people running Joe's campaign?

Many people are saying they must be Republicans. I think it is more likely they are just marketing and PR people who have been hired without much political experience.

What do you think?

This is a honest question, and I am sincerely interested in your response.

Thanks.

7/29/2006 4:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/29/2006 6:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

L4L - did you see the article's polling numbers? 56-44 lamont. yowza.

7/29/2006 7:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How much Federal Government experience did Joe Lieberman have when he first ran for US senate?

Answer: ZERO

7/29/2006 8:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/29/2006 9:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ken Balbari said:
That sounds to me like you're describing Ned Lamont's approach to national security.

Ken, let's have you lay your Iraq War views right out in the open:

1. What military objectives is the US military striving for right now? Understand that implicit in this question is the exclusion of political and economic goals in Iraq. What are we hoping to achieve militarily in Iraq? What is your best guess for how long that will take?

2. Do you believe the US military should have a permanent presence in Iraq? If not, when do you propose the military forces should leave? What is your best guess as to when we will have our military out of Iraq? 2 years? 4 years? 6 years? 10 years?

3. Do you believe withdrawing from Iraq according to a timetable represents "defeatism and risk aversion"? Do you believe CentristDem and others here represent "defeatism and risk aversion"? Hasn't the military achieved everything it can possibly hope to achieve?

If Ken decides to answer these questions honestly, I think this community will realize that Dems like Ken and Joe Lieberman believe the Iraq War will be a success, if only we just commit an undetermined (and thus unlimited) amount of blood, treasure, and time. Anything less represents "defeatism" and "risk aversion".

Such a view is so warped it's hard to comprehend. An open-ended commitment will not guarantee victory, but it will most certainly reduce our capability to defeat future threats, and will distract us from reestablishing the growth and prosperity of the United States.

We've done all we can in Iraq, Ken. You can't force people to adopt a secular democracy at gunpoint. You can't prevent a civil war with a foreign occupation. You can't prevent terrorism with a foreign occupation (ask the Israelis how their 18 year occupation of Lebanon went). We removed Saddam, we verified that Iraq did not have WMDs, we gave the Iraqis a chance to form a democracy. We've done all we can in Iraq, Ken.

I hardly think my view represents giving up the fight before the fight's begun (like Joe Lieberman did with Justice Alito). The fight's been going on for 3 1/2 years, Ken. It's time to bring the boys home.

7/29/2006 9:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Joe - Remember when Ned Lamont flip-flopped on his Iraq position? Me neither.

7/29/2006 9:56 AM  
Blogger Mike M. said...

Your post makes a lot of sense. I think that a lot of Democrats, though (myself included) have a problem with the Gang of 14 compromise in the first place. It presevered the Senate rules, yes, but in practice, won't the majority party ALWAYS claim that the "extreme" threshold hasn't been met? Seems to me that it kept the Senate rules intact but that it practically removed the filibuster option in any event. One could argue that as a minority, the Dems couldn't have achieved much more than that. But it does strike me as more concession that compromise.

That said, it's totally fair to point out that Lieberman isn't responsible for Alito. Bush and the Republican majority are.

7/29/2006 10:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/29/2006 10:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Greenwald nails it.

Which is why Joe now refuses to discuss it.

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/07/remember-iraq.html

7/29/2006 10:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kill Them All is not a foreign policy.

7/29/2006 10:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New York Times Endorses Lamont

This just in: NYT, July 30 2006:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/nyregion/30lieberman.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5094&en=1bb97e944bd182b3&hp&ex=1154232000&partner=homepage


The New York Times, in an editorial published on Sunday, endorsed Mr. Lamont over Mr. Lieberman, arguing that the senator had offered the nation a “warped version of bipartisanship” in his dealings with Mr. Bush on national security.

Warped indeed.

7/29/2006 12:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/29/2006 1:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/29/2006 4:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"A slap in the face of reality" - this is the Lieberdems.

7/29/2006 4:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fortunately, it's only a "short ride" for Joe back to Connecticut from DC in January.

7/29/2006 4:47 PM  
Blogger Gotham Ghostwriters said...

I don't know whether the Hug button has a union bug or not, so I can't really answer your question at the moment. But I will try to find out.

7/29/2006 6:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/29/2006 6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone here have some "Kiss BUTTONS"?

They're going for $8 on EBAY!!!

7/29/2006 7:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/29/2006 7:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

L4L - that is correct, the Courant endorsed Bush in 2000/2004.

7/29/2006 8:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The New York Times endorsed Lamont. The endorsement of the New York Times will have a major impact in the race. It looks more and more that Lamont will win the democratic primary and, likely, the general election in November. I think he would end up being a much more effective senator than Lieberman.

7/29/2006 8:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the Courant endorsed Bush in 2000, then they opposed Lieberman in that year. Not much of a Lieberman Daily.

7/29/2006 8:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/29/2006 10:11 PM  
Blogger OTE admin said...

Well, the NYT never had much credibility with me after it participated in the witchhunt of Bill Clinton.

I'll side with Bill Clinton, who supports Lieberman, than I will the NYT, which shouldn't even have a dog in this fight.

7/29/2006 10:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/30/2006 2:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/30/2006 7:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought that Joe's implosion is entirely the fault of those dirty bloggers, and that nobody reads the newspapers. What happened to that Lieberworld yarn?

7/30/2006 7:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The TPM prediction was a joke. It makes fun of things and "predicts" exactly the opposite of what they really think will happen. Among the predictions (together with prediciting a "victory" for Lieberman) was
"FIFA will change the rules of international "soccer" to increase scoring."

Anyone who knows and follows soccer knows that this will never happen. Unfortunately for Lieberman, the last Rasmussen poll shows a 10 point lead for Lamont (51-41). The endorsement of the New York Times will make things even worse for him. I think that Lamont will win easily the primary.

7/30/2006 8:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lieberman is the ultimate concern troll.

7/30/2006 8:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that goodie two shoes lamont - running a clean campaign, and talking about issues people actually care about.

Just who the hell does he think he is?

7/30/2006 8:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lieberman just seems to look like a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. Lamont on the other hand is well rounded.

7/30/2006 8:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Said the humorless Liebertroll......

7/30/2006 9:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good Luck with that.

7/30/2006 9:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, number 1 and number 7 sounded like jokes. But even if the person who wrote that was serious, his judgement is very poor.
Two things can not happen at this time:
1. FIFA will never change the rules of soccer (has not happened for at least 70 years so far).
2. Lieberman can not win the democratic primary. Lamont is leading by 10 points in the last poll, and Lamont voters are certainly more committed to show up and vote on primary day. Lieberman will have a chance as an independent in November with the support of independents and republicans. However, if Lamont wins with a wide margin in the primary, then Lieberman will be probably pressured by the leadership of the democratic party to withdraw his independent candidacy. Thats reality. He has a chance, but things are very difficult for him.

7/30/2006 10:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/30/2006 10:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

However, if Lamont wins with a wide margin in the primary, then Lieberman will be probably pressured by the leadership of the democratic party to withdraw his independent candidacy.

For what possible reason might they do that? Joe isn't a spoiler; the Republican Schlesigner's ratings are so low that there's no chance the seat will go to him. Either way, the seat remains Democratic. The party leaders, to the extent that they supported anybody, supported Joe, so it seems that their support of Lamont -- should he be nominated -- will be pro forma.

And what kind of pressure could they apply? Why would Joe drop out of a race he can probably win? The polls show Joe easily winning a three-way race. There's a Rasmussen outlier that shows the two neck-and-neck, but even if that's true, why would he drop out of a race where he has an even chance? Again, he won't be a spoiler.

7/30/2006 11:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

7/30/2006 12:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"That was his great sin -- finding a compromise with Republicans that helped Democrats, by preserving the precedent that had been followed for the entire history of the filibuster."

How did it help Democrats?

The Gang of 14 deal said Democrats can have the filibuster as long as they don't use it. In effect they eliminated filibuster for Democrats and "preserved" it for the GOP to use against a Democratic nominee in the future.

The Gang of 14 deal has allowed the GOP to get all their extremist nominees approved.

7/30/2006 12:41 PM  
Blogger Matt Smith said...

Had to briefly respond to that last comment:

The Gang of 14 deal said Democrats can have the filibuster as long as they don't use it. In effect they eliminated filibuster for Democrats and "preserved" it for the GOP to use against a Democratic nominee in the future.

The Gang of 14 deal has allowed the GOP to get all their extremist nominees approved.


That's simply not true. The Gang of 14 stopped Henry Saad and William Myers from reaching the floor. Saad withdrew his nomination, and Myers's is dead in the Senate.

The Gang of 14 is also holding up the nominations of Terrence Boyle and Jim Haynes to the Fourth Circuit. The Gang has essentially come out against both, it's consequently unlikely that either will make it to the floor. And the circuit courts are actually every bit as important as the Supreme Court, since the vast majority of major federal cases are decided at the circuit level.

So the Gang of 14 has hardly been a rubber stamp, and they have stopped Bush judicial nominees.

7/30/2006 1:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You sir are a liar.

The blocking of judicial nominees had a tried and true history.

You repeat teh GOP lies. Typical.

7/31/2006 9:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And what kind of pressure could they apply? Why would Joe drop out of a race he can probably win? The polls show Joe easily winning a three-way race. There's a Rasmussen outlier that shows the two neck-and-neck, but even if that's true, why would he drop out of a race where he has an even chance? Again, he won't be a spoiler."

He'll be pressured out because the Democratic VOTERS (you know, the people who actually make up the Democratic Party) will have shown that they don't support him (again this is assuming Lamont wins by a large margin).

Any Democratic politician who doesn't show respect for the Democratic Party (i.e. its voters) will be damaging themselves and the party.

If Lieberman wants to be considered for any future role in a Democratic White House after 2008 (and I'm sure his power-hungry self does) he will need to drop out if Lamont wins the primary big.

Finally, is there really any question that Lieberman's three-way general election poll numbers will drop significantly if he loses the primary big? There shouldn't be. Have you looked at the trends in ALL of the polls (not just Rasmussen). It doesn't get much worse for an incumbent.

8/01/2006 9:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, don't use it or you will loose it. Just never use it, and then you can feel good about having it, even though you never use it.

In related news... I have a million dollars. I'm not going to ever spend it or else I won't have it any more. I buried it in a peat bog. Yay! A million dollars!!!

8/01/2006 11:04 AM  

<< Home