Monday, July 31, 2006

Dan Gerstein

Dan Gerstein has just entered an official position with the Lieberman campaign. In light of this development, Dan and I have mutually agreed that it would be best if he ceased being a contributor on the blog while he is officially connected to the Lieberman campaign. As a result, I am now the blog's sole contributor, although I will be seeking another contributor or two to help fill the gap. I also should reiterate that I have always been the blog's sole administrator, just in case anyone decides to follow Jane Hamsher's dishonest attempts to question this blog's independence.

My own posting will be sparse for the next day or two as I finish moving into my new apartment and recover from a hand injury I sustained in the process. While I realize this is a critical stage in the campaign, please be patient if this page is short on updates for the next couple days.

Hope everyone is doing well.

Update: Just to briefly explain why I did not know about this before, I have been (as mentioned above) moving into an apartment for the past several days - the first apartment of my own, as a matter of fact, in case anyone had forgotten just how young and out of touch with the world of "real" politics I am. I honestly have not had the chance to read through any news articles on the Lieberman race since Friday as a result, which is why my only post this past weekend was an addendum to another post rather than an original one.

The simple truth is that I did not know Dan had entered into the official employ of the Lieberman campaign until a couple hours ago, and he hadn't officially joined the Lieberman team until last week (correction: see Update II) - before that, he was working for Tom Suozzi. Had I known before, I would have requested that he leave before. As it happened, he told me himself and simultaneously suggested that he take his leave of the blog. While I think Dan is a good writer and have greatly appreciated his contributions to the blog, I could not have agreed more that no one on the Lieberman campaign team should be connected to this blog.

That's the truth, pure and simple. Since I will be disappearing into my first year of law school in a few weeks and have no intention of making a career out of either politics or blogging, I have no motivation to lie - nor much of a reason to care if Jane Hamsher (or anyone else) doesn't believe me. Considering that I have been called a Nazi and received two emailed death threats in the past three weeks, being called a campaign plant by people who know nothing about me actually feels like an improvement.

I will be making a post in the near future outlining my original and continuing mission in starting this blog. In the meantime, please feel free to browse through the other posts, most of which are no less timely now than they were when they were written.

Update II: Dan made a comment to this post, and I just would like to point out two things from it:
  1. He is a volunteer, and so is not being and has not been paid by the Lieberman campaign during this cycle (he has said before that he was in their paid employ until the spring of '04, but not since).
  2. He did not enter his volunteer position with the Lieberman campaign until yesterday (my "last week" comment from above was apparently incorrect).
What is so amusing about all the conspiracy theories being swirled around right now is the unstated arrogance behind them. The assumption is that no rational person could possibly want to write positive things about Lieberman unless they were stupid, dishonest, or being paid - essentially saying "No sane person with free will could possibly disagree with me."

(By the way, did anyone notice when Kos appeared in a campaign commercial with Lamont? At least Dan decided to stop blogging once he volunteered to work for the Lieberman campaign.)

In any case, neither Dan nor I have received any money from the Lieberman campaign, and I have never had even the most tangential relationship with the Lieberman campaign. I'm going to leave it at that. Whoever wishes to spend time coming up with conspiracy theories to say otherwise can obviously do so at their leisure, though it is the very definition of an ad hominem attack (ignore the message, shoot the messenger). I'll be busy checking court dockets and worrying about when my A/C is going to start working.

- Matt


Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

How convenient.

7/31/2006 9:31 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Dear Lieberdem,

Please do make your posts as "sparse" as you can for awhile. I think it would be useful to hear a little more from the reality-based posters under the present circumstances.

7/31/2006 9:34 PM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

Leaving it up to you to talk about reality would be like leaving it up to Stalin to talk about the virtues of democracy.

7/31/2006 9:45 PM  
Blogger Y.G. Brown said...

I also should reiterate that I have always been the blog's sole administrator, just in case anyone decides to follow Jane Hamsher's dishonest attempts to question this blog's independence.

Oh go blow it out your ass. Your co-writer was Joe Lieberman's campaign advisor. You didn't post this until hours after he made official statements on behalf of the Lieberman campaign. You didn't post this until over an hour after I raised the obvious bullshittery of it all in the comments to the previous post written by Dan Gerstein, which was posted TODAY, presumably by the site administrator.

He "just" entered this position? Welllllll... WHOOP-DEE-DOO! Either you're a shill just like him, or you're a moron who got played like a fiddle by Gerstein. You were the only SITE ADMINISTRATOR?! Are you serious?? Who gives a flying fig about who has admin powers on the site?

Jane Hamsher and David Sirota were both 100% correct. This site is a joke. And if this post wasn't some sort of lame Onion-esque satire, so are you.

7/31/2006 9:48 PM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

Maybe he just has more to do in his life than try to find out all the details of Dan Gerstein's life. You know, some people do have lives and need to work for a living...

7/31/2006 10:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

aren't the hate Joe crowd the most vicious,vile folks?

Joe & his supporters might lose next week.

Kos & his krew already lost- all their humanity, dignity, and decency.

7/31/2006 10:16 PM  
Blogger Y.G. Brown said...

So we'll go with "played like a fiddle." You didn't know that he'd taken the job because he DIDN'T TELL YOU. He didn't tell you because he was using your site already to push his agenda and he was using your site because it furthered his efforts to appear unconnected to Lieberman's campaign.

If everything that you say is true, you got played. You vouched for Gerstein's credibility. The whiny self-righteousness is misplaced. Lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

7/31/2006 10:33 PM  
Anonymous moderation said...

My bet is that yg brown is one of people who sent LieberDem a death threat. He certainly acts like a man who goes crazy when someone dares to disagree with him.

7/31/2006 10:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Death threats? Let's see them. Post them.

We'll see what you consider a "death threat", because frankly, people exaggerate that sort of thing.

7/31/2006 11:30 PM  
Blogger babablacksheep said...


I wouldn't have to say "I told you so" all day yesterday and previously, if you had apoligized and taken responsibility.


You can't even admit when something very dishonest takes place that is undeniable. YOu say that Dan Gerstein has only been paid by the Lieberman campaign for the past few days, but he posted on this website in an "unaffiliated" diguise.



8/01/2006 4:39 AM  
Blogger babablacksheep said...

You know the most interesting thing about Lieberdem's post about Dan Gerstein's dishonesty and campaign trickery is that he banished him from this unofficial official website, but Lieberdem does not demand that Dan Gerstein resign from the Lieberman campaign.

You would think that Lieberdem would demand such from the supposedly "principled" Lieberman campaign. Wouldn't you?!

8/01/2006 4:45 AM  
Blogger dangerstein said...

Matt, I want to thank you for the opportunity to contribute to your site. I really admire your initiative and the thoughtful way you have handled the dialogue here, and wish you the best of luck going forward.

Before I go, I would also like to put the fears of the conspiracy theorists to rest.

Up until Monday, I had no formal affiliation with the Lieberman campaign -- I was just a friend and informal advisor. On Monday, I started volunteering (I am not being paid) in the campaign headquarters to help out in the stretch run (as are many former Lieberman staffers).

I let Matt know about my move, and as he said, we mutually decided it would be best for me to stop posting on this site, which has always been and will continue to be independent of the campaign.

I am sorry for any confusion my transition may have caused. In hindsight, I should have posted the news myself over the weekend. I just frankly didn't think anyone would care. My mistake.

Anyway, I hope you all can now go back to fighting about Joe Lieberman and Ned Lamont. I look forward to reading the back and forth, which I am sure will get even more interesting in these final days.

-- Dan

8/01/2006 5:38 AM  
Blogger SeedFreak said...

Why would he demand he quit his job?

That's unrealistic.

It is quite clear to me baba, that you have never worked or observed a politcal campaign from the inside out. The Candidate is generally a kind and affable person, if not they wouldn't be the candidate--no one likes a monster. But as a kind person, it is difficult to perform the ruthless task of campaigning on your own. You must hire a ruthless individual. Ruthless people, by nature, do not care for anything except the task at hand. This has dreadful consequences for volunteers to that campaign--they are disposable tools. I do not appreciate Dan Gerstein (who's name dangerstein has always envisioned an angry Toby Mug for me) not informing Matt of his employment intentions while he was employing his intentions. It is wholly reflective of the nature of a high-level campaign associate and so I do understand it, but I do not like it.

My Suozzi yard signs will stay where they are, for I like the man and I can believe Suozzi as Pres in 2016. He's got the brains, the charm and the looks. It took a ruthless campaign team to wrestle Nassau County out of Republican control and it could only have been done by ruthless and brilliant high-level campaigners. I am glad to know that Dan is with Joe's campaign, it is a positive move for them, it might be too late to bring on board a good mind for the job, but it is a plus for them.

Everything we do, in all aspects of our lives, publicly, socially, blogally(?) is mirrored with yins and yangs. Do not hesitate to think that there are equals in the Lamont campaign, and as such, there are disposable volunteers. Some years back I watched in shock as far-right republicans rioted during the election recount. To me, it was so disturbing that it ended my own political apathy. This is America, I thought, rioting political extremists are something that happens in the third world, where communist, fascist, or totalitarian rulers steal elections by violence or brutality, it is not what happens on our own land. Now, with the yin-yang relfection of far left extremists, I am reminded of those riots. I am deeply concerned about a repetion of those awful events. I hope to not see it, I do not want to see it, but I cannot close my eyes to the possibility that the drums are beating faster and louder and that the disposble volunteer force is being whipped into a frenzy and through either celebration or consualtion, that frenetic energy will be released upon society post-election.

8/01/2006 5:45 AM  
Blogger babablacksheep said...


Your compromised ethics are befitting a Republican campaign, of the likes of Lee Atwater, Roger Ailes, Karl Rove, etc.

I have worked in Democratic campaigns since the early 70s and the candidate sets the tone and ethical standards of the campaign. Look at Ned Lamont on the Colbert Report, this is not the kind of person who would stoop to Republican tactics.

This all just more clear the kind of culture that is supporting Lieberman. It is not just Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, but everyday hacks with compromised ethics like seedfreak.

There is a reason why we Republicans are like this. Since Reagan and before, there has been this anti-government attitude that believes their is no nobility to public service, and therefore that's why you get the depth of curruption and breadth of dirty politics among Republicans.

The other reason is that Republicans often think they are closer to God and therefore any ENDS justify their ethically compromised MEANS.

seedfreak, you can take your low Republican standards... we don't need you in the Democratic Party. Thank you.

And Lieberdem, are there any courses on ethics that you could take when you go to Law School in the fall. I hope so.

8/01/2006 5:55 AM  
Blogger babablacksheep said...

Oops. Previous message had a typo. I had an extra "we" so it should not have read "we Republicans" in the middle. I am obviously a proud Democrat.

8/01/2006 5:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


That is no excuse. You tricked the readers of this blog and did not reveal your true identity as a Lieberman official hack (race-baiting under the radar at black churches) until babablacksheep uncovered your deception in the comments section of this blog yesterday.

You are pathetic. Please go crawl back under your Republican rock. Isn't Jesse Helms hiring anymore?

8/01/2006 6:03 AM  
Blogger babablacksheep said...

Y.G. Brown also deserves credit for exposing Dan Gerstein's secret affliliation with the Lieberman campaign.

8/01/2006 6:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody notice how often the liars that run this website repeat the word "truth" in the main posts on this blog. In the 2 posts during the past 24 hours...

"The simple truth..."
"That's the truth..."
" More Truth on Lieberman's Record"

Methinks you protest too much.

Lieberdem, how many showers have you taken this morning. When you lie down with sleazeballs, it takes awhile to remove the stench.

8/01/2006 6:31 AM  
Blogger SeedFreak said...

"Since Reagan and before, there has been this anti-government attitude that believes their is no nobility to public service, and therefore that's why you get the depth of curruption and breadth of dirty politics among Republicans."

Laughable, but more revealing of not knowing who you are discussing.

Try reading "In Praise of Public Life." It's ABOUT the nobility of public office.

8/01/2006 6:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, seedfreak, defending Reagan and defending Lieberman. Are you a Democrat? I didn't think so.

8/01/2006 6:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A report from the Lieberman bus tour:

Lieberman... said that there are two big lies in this campaign. The first is apparently that Lieberman is not a Democrat. For the record, we call him George Bush's favorite Democrat, though we tend to acknowledge that he's a Democrat. After repeating the the mean liberal voices he hears in his head, Lieberman said something along the lines of 'I'm a Democrat, I believe in human rights, in government working for the people, etc.' What's hilarious about Lieberman's point is that he not only violated campaign speak 101, which is that you don't repeat your opponent's attacks on you, but he actually invented a new attack line and used it on himself so he could deny it.

The second big apparent slap is even weirder. 'The other big lie in this campaign is that I am George Bush.' With special emphasis, Lieberman said slowly, 'I. am. not. George. Bush.' How do you even respond to that? It's like Lieberman is running against the Chewbacca defense. He's just picking facts about himself, not positions or anything like that, just simple human facts, and saying that we are lying about them. Here's a three line play I wrote to illustrate the dynamic:

Enter Joe Lieberman, stage right

Lieberman: My opponent says I am made of wax. I am not made of wax, that is a total fabrication!

The world: What are you talking about?
awkward pause

The End

In the rest of his speech, Lieberman referred repeatedly to his work in the 1960s marching and registering voters in the South. Even this didn't work, since most people in the semi-crowd weren't actually alive in the the early 1960s. At a certain point during the anecdote, one of his staffers shouted out derisively 'Where was Ned?' Lieberman grinned and said 'That's a good question, where was Ned?' While not a devastating blow, it does seem reasonable to wonder why Ned Lamont wasn't in the South in the early 1960s registering voters like Joe Lieberman was. Apparently, Ned's lame excuse is that he was in elementary school.

8/01/2006 6:44 AM  
Blogger Susan said...

I have to laugh at the hypocrisy of the left blogosphere when they complain about Gerstein, but it didn't bother them when Kos was on the Dean payroll, and, unlike his partner Jerome Armstrong, didn't cease blogging during the time he worked for the campaign.

Gerstein is a volunteer, unlike Kos.

I'd take almost anything coming out of Jane Hamsher's keyboard with a huge grain of salt. She has NO credibility whatsoever, and I am finding more and more of the A-list "left" bloggers are that way. They get a little bit of "fame," and then they think they can peddle any piece of garbage and their readers think it's gospel.

People need to read from a lot of different sources to be informed.

8/01/2006 6:54 AM  
Blogger babablacksheep said...

No, no, no.

The point is that this blog, in its tag line, says it is "unofficial" and at the same time Dan Gerstein is an "official" spokesperson for the campaign.

P.S. Very surprising that the Lieberman campaign, which is spending some $10 million does not pay their "official spokesperson." They should get some real professionals, don't you think. May have prevented this embarrassing, historic disaster of a campaign. Well, no, probably even that wouldn't have helped given Lieberman's out of touch politics of the past few years.

8/01/2006 6:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has Lieberman asked Dan Gerstein to resign yet?

8/01/2006 7:00 AM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

Maybe you missed it, but Dan ceased to be a contributor on the blog once he started to work for the campaign. So your attempts to call LieberDem a liar or unethical are as laughable as you are.

By the way, why aren't you hollering bloody murder about all the bloggers who ARE working actively working with Lamont's campaign while writing pro-Lamont blogs? Get real.

8/01/2006 7:03 AM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

I actually agree that he should resign...that flyer was ridiculous.

8/01/2006 7:04 AM  
Anonymous Red State Donkey said...

Yesterday John Fund of the Opinion Journal discussed in his column the two primaries next week that he and I both agree will tell a lot about the strength of the hard-left wing of the Democratic party. In CT, primary voters go to the polls to choose between moderate Joe Lieberman and challenger Ned Lamont, whose single issue is opposition to the Iraq war. In my home state of Georgia, leftist Cynthia McKinney squares off against a moderate opponent in Hank Johnson who is wooing liberals with the slogan: “It’s time to restore respect to progressivism.” As Fund concludes, and I am in agreement with his conclusion, voters will reject the more liberal candidate in both races and send the message that the sensible center still has a home among Democrats.

The Democratic party has traditionally been a centrist party. From Woodrow Wilson to Bill Clinton, Democratic presidents have balanced liberal social policy with conservative domestic and foreign policies. From Truman’s and JFK’s tough minded military policies to Clinton's moderate economic positions, to LBJ’s great society, the country has taken it’s greatest strides under centrist Democrats.

Further, recent polling suggests rank and file Democrats still want the party to be centrist. A Zogby poll found 61% of Democratic voters want their leaders to make compromises on their principles in order to win over voters from the middle of the political spectrum. A Gallup poll of Democratic National Committee members (in February 2005) showed that, by more than two-to-one (52%-23%) the DNC members want the party to become more moderate, rather than more liberal. That view is shared by rank and file Democrats nationally; in a January survey, Gallup found that 59% of Democrats wanted the party to take a more moderate course.

These polling numbers are poison to the the liberal blogosphere, who believe compromise is surrender and the mythical base of the Democratic party will one day soon come to agree with them. That is one of only a few reasons the hard left is trying to unseat Lieberman - because of his ability to reach out to Republicans in Washington and accomplish things - a rare talent these days in a town that used to pride itself in it. While sticking to the fundamental principles that have made the Democratic party great, Mr. Lieberman has been able to work with his colleagues in the spirit of compromise to move legislation forward. That is, after all, what politics is supposed to be about and if the Democrats win one or both Houses of Congress back this fall, the art of compromise will be even more valuable and needed. We should be growing more Joe Liebermans in the Democratic party, not trying to root them out.

Cynthia McKinney is another matter entirely. A personable and talented politician, she nonetheless has squandered her opportunities and is given to wild conspiracy theories and cheap theatrics. While her constituents in Georgia crave leadership that puts them first, McKinney embarrasses them by doing things like voting against a measure commemorating the fourth anniversary of 9/11, introducing a bill “to provide for the expeditious disclosure of records relevant to the life and death of (rapper) Tupac Amaru Shakur,” accepting campaign contributions from Islamic organizations with ties to terrorist groups, and playing the race card whenever it is convenient. Then there is the infamous Capital Hill altercation with a Police officer this year - the second time that has happened - the first being in August of 1993.

I’ve noticed those who trend further left (the ones who call themselves the “real Democrats” with a straight face) are trying to rebrand themselves as “moderates.” That’s right. I’m seeing more and more “progressives” on DailyKOS, Democratic Underground, and a host of other “progressive” websites suddenly referring to themselves as moderates. Maybe it is an effort to try to appeal to more people? Or are they trying to fool people into supporting them? I’m sure we’ll eventually find out.

But let’s hope next Tuesday, the center of the Democratic party, the true ideological heirs to Harry Truman and John Kennedy, send both Ned Lamont and Cynthia McKinney to the political grave yard.

8/01/2006 7:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm confused, Susan. What is "left" about the Lamont crowd? I thought he was a rich Greenwich racist who voted with Reblican's ninety percent of the time.

8/01/2006 7:05 AM  
Anonymous moderation said...

Well said, Donkey.

8/01/2006 7:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI: Lamont is the moderate in this race. Joe Lieberman sold out African-Americans by rubber stamping NOLA Brownie. This action killed untold thousands of African-Amercans.

War with Iran, anyone? What could be better than another pointless war, motivated by nothing more than hatred of Arabs?

Joe Lieberman is your man... but if you vote for him expect to see your kids heading into the military soon.

8/01/2006 7:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

red state donkey, thank you for the intelligent post. You advocate you position well.

I just have one comment. Some "left" progressives like me do think of ourselves as moderate, because Bush, Rove, Cheney, O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, etc. have so radically moved the country to the right. We are all looking to moderate the country's direction. Even a growing number of Replicans are turned off by the cowboy diplomacy, torture, Katrina incompetency and croneyism, avoidance of global warming, stem cell rearch, etc. These Republicans, and the "left" progressives are looking for an alternative to the Republicans, not a Republican light or Republican wannabee.

That does not mean that Lamont is a radical leftist. I think he is in the mainstream of the Democratic party. No different than Hubert Humphrey, Ed Musky, Mike Dukakis and many other moderates of today and yesterday.

8/01/2006 7:14 AM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

Yes. Joe Lieberman is responsible for the Katrina deaths. Because he didn't raise any objections to Brown's unanimous confirmation by the Senate. That's even more of an insult to people's intelligent than the Lieberman flyer.

8/01/2006 7:15 AM  
Anonymous moderation said... can't single out Lieberman for the fact that the entire Senate fucked up.

8/01/2006 7:16 AM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Actually, you can. Because Lieberman has played a direct role and lent a helping and in the biggest of those "fuck ups".

This is one reason why Lieberman is being successfully challenged.

His unwavering support for the highly pointless Glorious War of Iraqi Lieberation is another.

8/01/2006 7:19 AM  
Blogger SeedFreak said...

"I'm confused, Susan. What is "left" about the Lamont crowd? I thought he was a rich Greenwich racist who voted with Reblican's ninety percent of the time."

80% make the statement true.

Kos is pulling a Brownie and the Brownie's name is Lamont.

Attempting to place a neophyte in a position where political experience is neccesary can complicate disaster.

8/01/2006 7:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

red state, what exactly does Cynthia McKinney have to do with anything?

(except maybe that she will lose her primary along with Joe Lieberman losing his)

8/01/2006 7:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

seedfreak, we need some more smart, articulate neophytes in Congress. Here is a Harvard and Yale educated, very successful business man. I think he is quite qualified, and I think most voters see his fresh perspective as an asset, and you are not doing Lieberman any favors by reminding voters of that fact.

8/01/2006 7:24 AM  
Anonymous moderation said...

Wow...I say "Michael Brown" you think "Iraq." You might want to invest in a second track for your mind, L4L.

8/01/2006 7:25 AM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Lieberman LaLa Land Tour Update

The Lieberman campaign continues to motor between "secret" campaign events in a gigantic smokey bus. The Internet detectives continue to manage to ferret out the schedule though, so most people in attendance at Lieberman events are protesters and paid-for staffers.

Yesterday, Joe Lieberman failed to attract even a dozen genuine neighborhood supporters to an anemic reelection campaign rally in his New Haven hometown's Dixwell section Monday. But the "Kiss Float" was there in all of its splendor, adding a romantic feel to the event.

Today, "The Float" should be hot on the trail of the campaign all day.

You can read about yesterday's weird, dismal flop of a Lieberman campaign event here:



8/01/2006 7:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

seedfreak, you are more convincing when you defend Reagan than when you try to salvage Lieberman's smoldering campaign.

8/01/2006 7:27 AM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

By the way, did anyone notice when Kos appeared in a campaign commercial with Lamont? At least Dan decided to stop blogging once he volunteered to work for the Lieberman campaign.

But that's totally different! Ned Lamont isn't the cause of all the world's problems - Joe Lieberman is! So it's totally cool to blog for Our Savior while he works against Satan.

8/01/2006 7:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has Lieberman asked Dan Gerstein to resign yet?

Has Lieberman apologized for his race baiting flyers and other Rovian dirty-tricks yet?

8/01/2006 7:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

L4L - the article is HILARIOUS!!!

8/01/2006 7:31 AM  
Blogger babablacksheep said...

centrisdom, who thinks Lieberman is the cause of all the world's problems? Some of us just think the Democrats of CT could be represented by a different Democrat who better represents them and is more willing and able to stand up to the Bush administration. We are not looking for a radical leftist.

Is that so hard to understand?

8/01/2006 7:31 AM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

I actually think Lieberman should apologize for it. But has Lamont renounced Kos's connection with his campaign yet? After all, I think that hiring someone who said "screw them" about American citizens dying in Iraq ranks a bit higher on the scale of poor judgment than putting out that flyer.

8/01/2006 7:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In this race there is a moderate, and a neoconservative warmongerer.

Lamont is the moderate.

8/01/2006 7:34 AM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

Problem is, Lieberman has stood up to George Bush far more than he has agreed with him. You all keep focusing on the exceptions that prove the rule - no one would care about Lieberman agreeing with Bush on something if he actually was a GOPer or a neoconservative.

What makes it interesting is that he IS a committed progressive, so when he does criticize progressives or agree with Bush, it's noteworthy.

And case you had forgotten:

Here is Lieberman criticizing Bush on stem cell research:

Here is Lieberman criticizing Bush's economic policies:

Here is Lieberman denouncing Bush's stance on affirmative action:

On energy and transportation spending:

On education:

On the handing over of wilderness areas to the oil and gas industry:

On cutting programs that provide jobs for CT residents:

On global warming and the environment

On Medicare

8/01/2006 7:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

centristdem, don't delude yourself. The flyer was an official act authorized by the Lieberman campaign, and it is no different, really, than other things that Lieberman himself has siad, except of course, it was sneakily done under the rader (not on TV, radio, etc.)

As for KOS, first he was criticized for having too much control over his submissive minions, and now you say that he is being controlled by the Lamont campaign. I don't think so. He is an independent voice, like maybe Lieberdem (the person, not the website) is.

8/01/2006 7:38 AM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Problem is, Lieberman has been a relentless supporter of the Glorious War of Iraqi Lieberation.

That alone negates anything positive he has ever done.

Joe has been such a cheerleader for the Iraq war he might as well don a skirt and pom-poms.

8/01/2006 7:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Next up: Iran. Want a bigger, better war? Joe's your man.

8/01/2006 7:43 AM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

Anon -

Fair enough, though I never actually said that Kos was controlled by Lamont or that the bloggers were controlled by Kos. I certainly will make no excuses for the flyer, because I find it personally offensive. My point was only that hiring Kos to work on an official campaign commercial was a very poor judgment call as well, since a commercial is no less an official campaign publication than a flyer.

8/01/2006 7:46 AM  
Blogger babablacksheep said...


I have been sparring with you for days, and I have a very different view of Lieberman than you do. But I greatly respect your integrity for criticizing the flyer.

8/01/2006 7:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More press coverage of the Joe's bus tour

8/01/2006 8:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

8/01/2006 8:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has Lieberman asked Dan Gerstein to resign yet?

Has Lieberman apologized for his race baiting flyers and other Rovian dirty-tricks yet?

8/01/2006 8:25 AM  
Blogger babablacksheep said...

I think the Lieberman campaign is right. He has 18 years experience and lots of good relationship in Washington. Things are going well in the country and the world, why rock the boat?

I never liked that Mr. Smith Goes to Washington movie anyhow.

8/01/2006 8:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Connecticut had its chance to choose their Senator 18 years ago. It's too late to change horses now...

This is America, once you elect someone to the Senate you can't just say "oops" 18 years later. That's Joe Lieberman's Senate seat now.

8/01/2006 8:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That damn Ned Lamont and his nut-nut-nut-nut-nutty nutters. Now they've gone and raised more than 200 grand online in less than two weeks.

How are we supposed to drown them in Lieber-cash if they just keep floating back to the surface?

8/01/2006 8:42 AM  
Blogger InsultComicDog said...

What the Republicans have done to this country in the last few years is despicable. And the last thing we need is Democrats who not only enable but encourage what they are doing.

Iraq is far from the only issue. But it is a huge issue that can't be marginalized. We've got kids dying over there and for no good reason.

If that makes me an angry radical left hippie freak, then break out the peace signs and bellbottoms.

8/01/2006 9:13 AM  
Blogger Joe said...

Keep up the good work! So what if those moonbats don't respect Joe's greatness? Keep on fighting the good fight, and we shall be victorious August 8th.

8/01/2006 9:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vote Joe Lieberman on Aug 8th

Joe has a Romantic Vision for the Future

8/01/2006 9:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

great "lieberman supporter" parody site, will spread the word!

8/01/2006 10:18 AM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

The assumption is that no rational person could possibly want to write positive things about Lieberman unless they were stupid, dishonest, or being paid - essentially saying "No sane person with free will could possibly disagree with me."

Wow, you can't help but prove him right can you, anon?

8/01/2006 10:20 AM  
Anonymous FredisNotMyName said...

You'd have to be a left wing nutcase to not see how Joe Lieberman has worked with our nation's leaders in a bipartisan way to move the country forward.

Go Joe! Stay the Course! Don't let the left wing extremists take over the country! We need another 18 years of your leadership and your success in Washington!

8/01/2006 10:23 AM  
Anonymous Fredismyname said...


I'm not sure if you are serious or not, but don't you think we need someone principled and steadfast like Senator Lieberman to provide leadership on the Iraq situation. During the past four years, during ups and downs, and as the situation on the ground has changed, Senator Lieberman has continued to provide very candid and wise advice to the President about how to deal with insurgency in amongs the radical leftists in the U.S. Congress. Ask yourself, would the country be better off with Saddam still in power? Okay, maybe that isn't the best question these days. But don't you think the Iraqi people deserve democracy! We need Joe Lieberman to make sure they get it.

8/01/2006 10:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joey has dug his own political grave, even those wacko New Hampshire democrats saw through his act and his phoney move-in in their primary.

Missing the funerals of those who have lost their life in Iraq will haunt him.

8/01/2006 10:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Next up: Iran. Want WWIII? Joe's your man.

8/01/2006 10:47 AM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

I've said it before and I'll say it again - lying must be in your DNA. Lieberman said that the US might want to consider targeted airstrikes against a few key components of the Iran nuke program as a last resort.

Hardly WWIII.

8/01/2006 10:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is true. Joe Lieberman and G.W. Bush have made a lot of "progress" in spreading "freedom" in Iraq.

Just what is this "freedom"? It seems to mean in some way a total lack of jobs, food, water electricity, health care, sanitation, or future prospects.

Oh, and of course it also means being able to serve as cannon fodder for Sunni gunmen. Forgot that part.

Boy, I'm sure glad we don't have "freedom" here in the US.

8/01/2006 10:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great idea, just a few targeted airstrikes against a few key components of Iran's nuclear program! A surgical strike. That should show all the bad guys that we mean business and that they better change their thinking!

I'm glad that such great mmilitary policy by Bush and Lieberman over the past four years has shown the world how strong and effective we have been!

I;m glad our soldliers didn't die for nothing.

8/01/2006 10:56 AM  
Anonymous cfaller96 said...

CentristDem said:
Maybe you missed it, but Dan ceased to be a contributor on the blog once he started to work for the campaign. So your attempts to call LieberDem a liar or unethical are as laughable as you are.

Complete and utter bulls--t. Dan Gerstein posted yesterday, but was the "official spokesman" that confirmed the controversial flyers yesterday as well. Dan Gerstein also posted on Saturday and Friday.

When exactly did Dan Gerstein decide to volunteer for the Lieberman campaign? Yes, he says he started on Monday, but when did he make the decision? Was it before or after the post on Friday? Saturday? Monday? CentristDem, do you expect everybody here to believe that Dan Gerstein posted Friday, Saturday, and Monday, without even thinking about volunteering for Lieberman, but then only after Monday's posting, he thought about it for the first time and decided to join the campaign, at which point he immediately became an "official spokesman"? That's absurd and doesn't pass the smell test.

Without getting too far off in the woods, I speculate (emphasize the word "speculate") that regardless of when he began working on the Lieberman campaign, Dan Gerstein was not planning on telling anyone about his volunteer work. He got cornered when his name appeared affiliated with the Lieberman campaign on, and thus, Dan Gerstein had to leave the LieberDem blog.

Speculation, sure, but to me it seems more plausible than the idea that he only decided to volunteer for Lieberman after Monday's post, and was immediately promoted to "official spokesman". I guess it's also just a coincidence that LieberDem posted about this after Dan Gerstein's name showed up on TalkingPointsMemo. Whatever.

Some of you seem to want to play the game of "Look over there! Another blog is affiliated with a campaign!", but the difference between Kos supporting Lamont and Dan Gerstein supporting Lieberman is a matter of openness and honesty. Kos has been very open about his support of Lamont, and makes no apologies for it. The LieberDem blog, on the other hand, makes the claim that it is unaffiliated with the Lieberman campaign, and thus implicitly should be considered a more "credible" source of information about this primary battle.

I think Dan Gerstein could clear up a lot if he answered these simple questions, honestly:

1. When did you decide to volunteer for the Lieberman campaign?

2. In what capacity did you "informally advise" the Lieberman campaign, and how long had you been doing that?

3. What is your official title at the Lieberman campaign?

4. Are regular, grunt volunteers who've only worked for a few hours normally considered "official spokesmen" for the Lieberman campaign?

I love the smell of astroturf in the morning. It smells like...VICTORY!

8/01/2006 10:57 AM  
Anonymous :AnotherFred said...

Joshua Micah Marshall:

So back to yesterday's question: what happened to Joe Lieberman?

Was he angling for the Sec Def gig? Was he going for the highly improbable and fairly lame honor of dual nomination in the home state?

I don't know Lieberman. To the best of my recollection, I've never spoken to the guy. But I have a lot of friends who know him really well. And from them I get a story that has the ring of truth to me and squares with my own experience of the last half dozen years, though that's from a more distant view.

In their view, it all goes back to 2000.

Remember Ann Richards classic line about George Bush? "He was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple."

Well, something similar about Lieberman. Al Gore picked Joe Lieberman in 2000. And fairly quickly he starts thinking he's better at running for president than Al. As one close-up Joe-watcher puts it (and I'm paraphrasing) Lieberman was terrible in 2000. And as he travelled the country he was more and more alienated from rank and file Democrats. Only he thought he'd done great.

Let me pick up the thread from another close-up Joe-watcher: "My guess. He watched Gore during the campaign and decided he could do better. He started thinking of the day he'd run on his own. This was first evidenced after the election when he sold Gore out on the soldiers vote issue. Here he's on the ticket and he is pandering to the right to make himself look good. I think he decided that he wins even if Gore loses ... Then he runs in '04 and sees that his success in 2000 as a candidate was not really his but Gore's. He was a great #2 but not a free standing great man. He was rejected. And he became bitter. Very bitter."

I think this is right. Lieberman always played to above-it-all Beltway opinion. But something changed after early 2004.

Republicans friends of mine point to his Iraq position and say it's all about Iraq. And quite a lot of it is about Iraq. But it's not just his position on the issue. Nor is it even that he doesn't cater to the views of the "base" of the party. It's been a lot more than that, at least for the last two-plus years. He's been something like willfully contemptuous of anyone who has strong partisan identification as a Democrat, notwithstanding their ideological hue. And I suspect that embitterment over the exploded sense of entitlement growing out of 2004 is at the root of it.

8/01/2006 10:57 AM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Anonymous: Don't forget about all of the radiation and uranium particles from depleted uranium munitions.

I think in addition to "freedom", they've created some kind of new tourist mecca there in Mesopotamia.

It's some kind of new neoconservative Fountain of Youth, all of that poisonous uranium and radiation is very healthful, I'm sure.

8/01/2006 10:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More about the co-founder of this "unofficial" website that is "not... affiliated" with the Lieberman campaign.

July 28, 2006

Anonymous Lieberman Adviser Who Raised Issue Of Lamont's Commitment To Israel Speaks Out
By Greg Sargent | bio

As I told you below, the Forward yesterday carried an interview with an unnamed "informal adviser" to Joe Lieberman who raised the issue of Lamont's commitment to Israel.

This adviser pointed out that Lamont had campaigned with Maxine Waters and Marcy Kaptur, two Dem members of Congress who didn't vote in favor of a recent resolution condemning Hezbollah for its actions towards Israel. This infuriated many Lamont supporters, who thought the anonymous Lieberman adviser was trying to sow doubts about Lamont's commitment to Israel.

Now I've spoken with the adviser myself, and he agreed to go on the record. The person who made these remarks is Dan Gerstein, a longtime key adviser to the Connecticut Senator who worked for him from 1994 until 2004, most recently as his communications director.

8/01/2006 11:33 AM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

Anon...the part about Gerstein working for Lieberman until 2004 is nothing new. Actually, the fact that Gerstein worked for Lieberman until 2004 is something that both Gerstein and Matt acknowledged.

And sorry to burst your bubble, but Gerstein wasn't a "co-founder" of the site any more than Anderson Cooper is co-founder of CNN. Matt started the blog, and Dan later joined as a contributor.

So one of your points was a dud and another was dishonest.

8/01/2006 11:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A dud?? I'll tell you what's a dud. This site is a dud.

I'd rather have my teeth extracted than settle for six more years of Joementum.

8/01/2006 11:41 AM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Rev. Jesse Jackson Speaks Up on Shameful Lieberman Campaign

Rev. Jackson tells it like it is on the lies, issue-avoidance, and race-baiting of the Lieberman campaign. Says Rev. Jackson:

"To this day, Joe Lieberman still doesn’t get it. The 18-year incumbent Democratic Senator from Connecticut is in the battle for his political life in the Democratic primary. He dismisses his challenger – Ned Lamont, a Connecticut businessman whose campaign is grounded on opposition to the war in Iraq, as a single issue candidate. [...]

Iraq is not a single issue; it is a central issue. Lieberman’s response has been to line up the Democratic Club – basking in the embrace of Bill Clinton, whom he once called a moral disgrace, and enlisting fellow Senator Chris Dodd to mobilize other Senators to support him. The Democratic Senate Committee has rushed in political pros and organizers to help “save our guy.”

But across Connecticut, voters are saying “this is not our guy.” They are sending a message not just to George Bush but to the Democratic Party – calling them to account. Lieberman’s opponent, Ned Lamont, has run a principled campaign, devoid of personal attacks or gutter politics. He simply has agued, correctly, that Lieberman has not simply been wrong on the war, but a leader of the war hawks, the president’s favorite Democrat and leading defender. "


But, but, Joe marched for civil rights in 1800!

8/01/2006 11:51 AM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

L4L: Trolling, lying, creating "anonymous" posters to make it look like people actually like his posts, and calling stem cell research "frivolous" since 2006.

8/01/2006 12:02 PM  
Anonymous moderation said...

If all those Washington politicians are so evil, why is Lamont trying so hard to become one?

8/01/2006 12:03 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Gee Matt, that's a real relevant comment right there.

Our nation is losing a war, the Presidency is collapsing, Joe Lieberman is lying and race-baiting, and you're making up stories about my posts on this stupid blog of yours?

No wonder your campaign is imploding!

8/01/2006 12:03 PM  
Blogger SeedFreak said...

Jackson had the cajones to call Clinton a moral disgrace? Now that IS the pot calling the kettle black.

Jackson had his own illegitimate scandal to handle and Al "Sh'wanna Brawley" Sharpton is speaking too?

GAWD! Lamont's Hypocrasy knows no end!

8/01/2006 12:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lieberman4lieberman - it's stock issue LieberDem kill the messenger stuff, don't feel too bad!

8/01/2006 12:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No Danger Stein?

Of course, he could have been blogging in HOPES of getting hired by the Lieberman campaign.

Not that it matters; it's a non-issue.

I noted in passing that a blogger here asserted Lieberman had "saved" the filibuster -- very much the contrary: the Gang of 14 killed it. It can't be used without the Gang siding with Frist's rules-tampering abuse of power. Frist got his way -- w/o the political cost.

Also, some African-American pastors were saying that Lieberman had not been seen in their churches an neighborhoods in 18 years. Don't know if that's true, but the good Senator's conspicuous silence re Southern Republican senators outspoken desire to kill the Voting Rights Act -- and voting rights in general -- seem fairly telling.

Noted that Lieberman attended the dinner where Bush gave his "can't find the WMDs under the couch" video. Camera shows Lieberman laughing at Bush's jokes, finding them very enjoyable.

This is the guy who presumed to moralize about Pres. Clinton in 1998 about lies and sex. But in 2004, re Bush's lies about the obscenity of an illegal/unConstitutional war, Lieberman's got nothing to say.

What about the children?

What about the Constitution?

What about US soldiers, ordered to violate US law by torturing? Ordered to kill civilians?

Where is Joe Lieberman's morality?

8/01/2006 12:21 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Anonymous: Don't worry, I'm used to taking a lot of heat from these crapheads.

8/01/2006 12:25 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Anonymous @12:21 -

Indeed. Where is Joe Lieberman's morality?

Thanks for that powerful - if unanswered - question.

8/01/2006 12:28 PM  
Blogger CMBurns said...

The people who are endorsing Lamont
1)Jesse Hymie-town-Jackson- fathered a child out of wed lock- extortionist.
2)Al Tawana Brawley Sharton-
3)Maxine- LA Riots Waters

Who is going to be the next supporter of Lamont- Cynthia McKinney.

8/01/2006 12:39 PM  
Blogger CMBurns said...

Black Political Figures who are supporting Lieberman
1)John Lewis-US Rep GA-5CD- former Civil Rights Advocate
2)Denise Nappier-Connecticut State Treasurer.
3)Barack Obama- US Senator-IL

I will take endorsements from Lewis and Obama than Jackson,Sharpton,and Waters.

8/01/2006 12:43 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Quick Race-Baiting Update

The race-baiting initiative of Dan Gerstein/Joe Lieberman is turning out to be a tremendous success.

The Lamont campaign has raised over $100K in under 24 hrs

Remember, that's just the online contributions.

A heartfelt "thank you" goes out to Dan Gerstein and the Lieberman campaign from all Connecticut residents. Thanks for making this happen!

8/01/2006 12:49 PM  
Blogger CMBurns said...

What about US soldiers, ordered to violate US law by torturing? Ordered to kill civilians?

Civilians- These civilians would have killed them selves or other innocent civilians if we had not killed them.

Anomoyous- Is their any situation in which you would support US military force.

8/01/2006 12:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Lieberman has one damned ounce of sense, he'll ask John Lewis to come campaign for him again this week.

8/01/2006 12:50 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

cmburns: You will have to take the endorsements from those nobodies - because only sellouts will endorse Lieberman.

After this race-baiting fiasco, one of those two may decide to recant.

I think it's great that the Lieberman campaign has so much "Whitey Power". It really goes well with their Stormtrooper tactics.

8/01/2006 12:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait...did you just call John Lewis a sell-out?

8/01/2006 12:57 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

No, I think I referred to him as a "nobody". And I think that's the most accurate. People (including me) just don't know who John Lewis is.

People don't know who Salazar is either, but he clearly is a sellout.

Maybe Joe can get an "endorsement" from Abu Gonzales after all the support Joe's given him...

8/01/2006 1:00 PM  
Anonymous JessebJones said...

Citizen Ned Lamont on Colbert Report last night: "If Joe Lieberman won't stand up to George Bush, then I will."

Point, set, match.

8/01/2006 1:01 PM  
Blogger CMBurns said...


I believe that L4L did indeed call JL a sell-out.

8/01/2006 1:02 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Meanwhile, Over There In Iraq...

A whole lot of progress was made today - if you consider "progress" filling bodies with bullets or blowing them to bits. Here is sort of a "police blotter" from August 1, 2006:

Aug 1 (Reuters) - The following are security and other developments in Iraq on Tuesday as of 1230 GMT.
Asterisk denotes a new or updated item.

* BAGHDAD - A U.S. soldier was killed by a roadside bomb on Monday south of Baghdad, the U.S. military said on Tuesday.

BASRA - A British soldier was killed when a mortar round landed on the British military base in Basra, 550 (340 miles) southeast of Baghdad, the British military said.

MOSUL - Gunmen killed a student in the college of Islamic law and wounded another in Mosul, 390 km north of Baghdad, police said. Gunmen killed a man in a separate incident in Mosul, police added. The reason was unclear.

BAGHDAD - Gunmen attacked two minibuses carrying civil servants in the electricity department of Baghdad, killing four and wounding seven, police said.

NEAR KUT - A roadside bomb exploded beside a fuel truck wounding its driver in an area near Kut, 170 km southeast of Baghdad, police said.

KIRKUK - A member of the Arab Consultative Assembly, a gathering for Arab tribes and political parties, was gunned down in northern Kirkuk, 250 km north of Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - Seven people were wounded, including three police commandos, when a car bomb targeting a U.S. patrol exploded on Zayouna district, eastern Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - Nine insurgents and 25 suspected insurgents have been detained by the Iraqi army forces in the past 24 hours in different areas of Baghdad, the Defence Ministry said in a statement.

BAGHDAD - A suicide car bomb targeting an Iraqi army patrol exploded on Palestine Street, northeastern Baghdad, wounding two civilians, a police source said.

BAGHDAD - Gunmen shot at an Iraqi Army checkpoint in the northern outskirts of Baghdad, wounding five, including one civilian, an Interior Ministry source said.

NEAR TIKRIT - A roadside bomb went off near a bus carrying Iraqi soldiers, killing 20 of them and wounding 13 near Tikrit, 175 km (110 miles) north of Baghdad.

BAGHDAD - At least 10 people were killed and 22 wounded when a car driven by a suicide bomber exploded near an army patrol in the mainly Shi'ite Karrada district of Baghdad, a source in the Interior Ministry said.

MUQDADIYA - Seven people were killed and 15 wounded when a car bomb exploded beside a police patrol near a hospital in the town of Muqdadiya, 90 km northeast of Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - A civilian was killed and another wounded when a roadside bomb exploded in northeastern Baghdad, police said.

BAQUBA - The bodies of three people were found in Baquba, 65 km north of Baghdad, police said.

KIRKUK - Two policemen were killed and another wounded when a roadside bomb exploded near their patrol in the northern oil city of Kirkuk, police said.

Yes, all of this happened IN JUST ONE DAY


Isn't it great the Iraqis have their "freedom"?

8/01/2006 1:07 PM  
Blogger CMBurns said...

A well known former civil rights activist and a current member of Congress is a nobody.

8/01/2006 1:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ever heard of the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee? The Freedom Rides? The Salma march?

John Lewis is by far the greatest living leader of the civil rights movement. He's not a nobody, and he's certainly not a sell-out.

8/01/2006 1:07 PM  
Blogger babablacksheep said...

"The situation in Iraq is a lot better... than it was a year ago."

- Sen. Lieberman, debating Ned Lamont, 7/6/06

It takes a lot of blather on this website to try to make up for a statement like this. A statement like this may not hurt a candidate in Utah. But Joe Lieberman is running for re-election in Connecticut.

8/01/2006 1:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A pronounced character trait seen again and again in Joe Lieberman's career is his willingness to wear his morality on his sleeve -- at significant cost to the public interest.

The PMRC thing is case in point. Whether pandering to religious voters or merely exploiting their sentiments, Joe Lieberman felt quite free to press for censorship of, or labeling of, rock music lyrics. Drop their contracts from the record label. Whatever.

Yet he had to consciously choose to reject quintessential core American political principles to do that. No steadfast confidence of the free market. No staunch defense of the rights of Frank Zappa and Jello Biafra to politically organize, to exercise their Creator-endowed, inalienable free speech rights. No concern that the American public square would be made barren and devoid of all but the blandest and most acceptable blandishments.

No. Joe Lieberman presumed to moralize. He raised the Scarlet Letter compulsion above the American character's insistence that abuse of an individual has no justification. The "morality" of some was deified by scapegoating and curtailing the free speech rights of the many.

How is that moral? Or in the public interest?

8/01/2006 1:11 PM  
Blogger babablacksheep said...

Endorsement can sometimes help a candidate, but in this race endorsements tend to help Lamont (establishing credibility has a newcomer) and hurt Lieberman (reinforce view that he is part of establishment and not able to create a rationale on his own as to why he should be re-elected).

8/01/2006 1:12 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Well, I think it's splendid that the paid-for Lieberman supporters think John Lewis is so great.

If Lieberman were half the man that you claim John Lewis is, he'd probably win the election.

8/01/2006 1:12 PM  
Blogger SeedFreak said...

Lamont is against faith based funding for religious organizations. That's a shame as it reduces the funding for daycare, for social service programs, rehabs, youth outreach, AA meetings, etc that are hosted by so many religous centers.

When was the last time Lamont saw the inside of a house of worship, other than his campaign stops. Joe is an observant man, that is appreciated by those who are also observant. Lamont, against faith-based non-profit funding is cutting the throat of many programs--it will be harmful to the children, the citizens, the church ladies, the sisterhoods that do so much to ease the pain of so many.

Has anyone explained earmarks to Ned yet--you know, those projects that fix highways and get parking and docks and swere imporvements, the important aspects of our daily lives that also provide jobs? Of course those aren't low-age Walmart jobs that Ned profits from, those are union jobs.

8/01/2006 1:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well you won't get any argument from me that Lieberman isn't half the man John Lewis is, but then again I don't think there's an American alive who is half the man John Lewis is.

If you want to disparage Lieberman, fine. I don't like him either. But don't insult a true hero in the process.

8/01/2006 1:15 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Lamont Is Primarily Against Faith-Based Government

Like the whole "Stay and Pray" approach in Iraq.

It just isn't working

8/01/2006 1:16 PM  
Anonymous GrammyStorrs said...

I have supported Joe Lieberman for decades, since he was our attorney general. I agree with one of the previous comments that this is not about endorsements, but as the incumbent, Joe needs to make the case as to why he deserves another term.

I hope he will stand up and provide some leadership, especially on foreign policy matters. It looks like Israel and U.S. interests are no being well served by the Administration's policy. Joe made this one of his defining issues, writing OpEds in the WSJ and making speeches in the well of the Senate. What guidance and leadership can he provide now, when the country sorely needs it? He seems to be strangely silent.

8/01/2006 1:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe's guidance for Iraq? "Stay and pray"

8/01/2006 1:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has Joe Lieberman apologized for the race-bating flyer and other Rovian dirty tricks tactics yet?

8/01/2006 1:56 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Not to my knowledge.

One of Joe's great "strengths" is to never acknowledge weakness. Joe is never "wrong" about anything.

Take Iraq as just one example. Just because Iraq has turned into a bloodbath of a civil war after everyone warned him that it would doesn't mean that he's wrong.

Instead, it means that we're all bellbottom-clad peacenik hippies, who are "for the terrorists".

Joe is never wrong. In this he is just like G.W. Bush

Remember that.

8/01/2006 2:13 PM  
Blogger SeedFreak said...

Ned's guidance for Iraq?

Cut and Run--so defeatist, so weak, so embarrassing.

Oh, I forgot--he waffled and said he would consider a timetable for withdrawal after he heard his idea was defeatist, weak. I guess he was embarrassed.

8/01/2006 2:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Joe - Remember when Ned Lamont flip-flopped on his Iraq position? Me neither.

8/01/2006 2:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Virtually all "stay-the-course" partisans -- pundits, senators, and other officials alike, always get the meat of the issue wrong.

The ignore the core issue, even though they want to maintain the war was a bright idea (it wasn't). It wasn't responsibly conceived (never mind it being executed incompetently). The "Pottery Barn rule" totally inverts the issue: break something, and the store does NOT let you stay in the shop and continue breaking things. It makes you leave. Sovereignty means never being able to say it's your job to fix things. The damage can never be fixed, and is irrelevant.

THE REAL ISSUE issue is that this war represents a breach of trust with the American people. It was sold on false pretenses, and waged without a formal Declaration of War. A resolution? -- that's just an IRResolution, a failure of will on the part of Congress. Waged w/o just cause, w/o valid evidence, w/o leveling with the American people, w/o due process of Congressional debate and formal Declaration -- in EVERY respect, the war was a betrayal of the character, definition, and meaning of America. Right down to Congress's willing capitulation of its Powers to the usurpation of the Executive branch.

The issue is not whether the war was a bright idea, or a good method of acheiving certain results. The issue is that those "leading the way" betrayed the trust of the American people, their sworn obligation under the Constitution, and the root and trunk of the American nation, and it's purpose and meaning. That's not how we do things here.

Call it breach of trust. Call it fealty to swollen, unaccountable power. Just don't call it service to country.

Yet the egregious, overt lying still doesn't seem to bother Joe Lieberman. The judgement of history will not be kind to the man.

8/01/2006 2:40 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Dearest LieberFreak:

If Cut-and-Run is so weak and defeatest, why does Joe Lieberman (or "Lord Lieberman" as some would say) think that cut-and-run is so good for himself, and his Party of One?

8/01/2006 2:41 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Anonymous @ 2:40: AMAZING post, thank you!

8/01/2006 3:02 PM  
Blogger baghdadjoe said...

Holy rabid lambs - did you see that the Lamont people have raised over $110K today? And that's just the ONLINE contributions.

How is the Millionaire Lawyer supposed to buy this election with all of his special interest monies if Ned and the Nuts just keep buying it back?

8/01/2006 3:37 PM  
Anonymous Davebo said...

I wonder if Dan is also working with joe's other friends?

Quite a list there eh? How is it that Joe is the only "Liberal" on it?

Laurie Mylroie, Ph.D.
Adjunct Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
Adviser on Iraq to Clinton-Gore Campaign, 1992

"Iraq is the central front in the war on terror. The intelligence and policy failure of the post-Cold War era was the Clinton administration's treatment of terrorism as a law enforcement issue and its refusal to recognize the evidence suggesting Iraq's role in that terrorism."

Laurie Freakin Mylroie???

And how could we have known that you were the administrator of this site? Since Dan's name was the first on the list of contributors?

8/01/2006 4:02 PM  
Blogger LiebermanForLieberman said...

Not One Army Combat Team Left Ready To Deploy

Bush and Kissin' Cousin Joe Lieberman are strong on defense, right?


"A group of national security experts formed by Democratic leadership has reported to Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) that, "there is not a single non-deployed Army Brigade Combat Team in the United States that is ready to deploy," RAW STORY has learned.

"The bottom line," the group concludes in a letter to Democratic leadership, "is that our Army currently has no ready, strategic reserve."

"More than two-thirds of the Army National Guard's 34 brigades are not combat ready, mostly because of equipment shortages that will cost up to $21 billion to correct, the top National Guard general said Tuesday,"

Of course, Senator Lieberman gets a big share of the credit for this.


Great job defending "the homeland", Senator!

8/01/2006 4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SeedFreak said...

Lamont is against faith based funding for religious organizations. That's a shame as it reduces the funding for daycare, for social service programs, rehabs, youth outreach, AA meetings, etc that are hosted by so many religous centers.

Seedfreak, you sure don't sound like a Democrat to me. Why do Republicans seems to love Joe more than Democrats?

8/01/2006 6:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lieberman is the Dean Scream of 2006

8/01/2006 6:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

l4l - you seem to be confusing "defending" with "defunding". Lieberman has been good at defunding the homeland!

8/01/2006 6:49 PM  
Blogger Y.G. Brown said...

Considering that I have been called a Nazi and received two emailed death threats in the past three weeks, being called a campaign plant by people who know nothing about me actually feels like an improvement. - LieberDem (the guy), 7/31/06

Awww... you were called a NAZI?! Damn. I gotta say, that is completely inappropriate and utterly beneath contempt. I would hope that if that happed on a blog that the Site Administrator promptly denounced such anti-semitic, hateful, childish adhominem attacks.

What's the matter guys, is Ned Lamont a racist?? According to this little article, I just think he could be. Ned is a loser, just like all you Lamont Nazi's are. - LieberDem (the site, brought to you by LieberDem the guy), 7/19/06

Last, I said that you were either a shill or that you got played by Gerstein. You and he keep making these absurd distinctions (he wasn't a site admin, he is only the official spokesman for the campaing but not the paid official spokesman for the campaign, etc.) because you know that the credibility of this site is toast.

8/02/2006 5:56 AM  
Anonymous CentristDem said...

y.g. is so desperate for attention that he posted his rant about how terrible it is that a blog disagrees with him not once, but twice.

8/02/2006 7:43 AM  

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